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A Nazi on Wall Street Podcast
A Nazi on Wall Street Podcast
Decoding Fox News with Juliet Jeske
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Following on our last episode on the media in the battle between the forces of democracy and fascism, the ANOWS podcast takes on Fox News-one of the largest platforms for rightwing and fascist messaging on the planet. EJ and Jay talk with Juliet Jeske, an expert in grassroots fascist groups and producer of Decoding Fox News, which deeply analyzes how rightwing propaganda on that station operates. If you want to understand the battle for our minds and how Fox has become so powerful--as well as what we can do fight back--you won't want to miss this episode.
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Hey, Jay, I'm curious, why do we call this podcast a Nazi on Wall Street?
Speaker 2I'm glad you asked ej. You know, I study history. The Nazi on Wall Street podcast is part of elusive films Nazi on Wall Street Project, which tells the true story of how the Nazi sent a pair of spies, a German lawyer, and a beautiful diabolical bareness to recruit American corporations for the fascist cause. And only a Jewish FBI agent stood in their way.
Speaker 1<laugh>. Wow. How are you going to make this story come to
Speaker 2Life? We are raising funds to produce a short film highlighting just one part of the Nazi Wall Street pilot script, which showcases our team's talents and writing and production. Awesome.
Speaker 1Where can someone go to learn more and help contribute to the
Speaker 2Cause? Chances are, we're running a fundraiser right now, but regardless of when you hear this episode, you can go to elusive hyphen film slash donate to contribute to putting this highly relevant history on screen.
Speaker 1Great. I hear there's some cool donation incentives too, like mugs, totes, shirts, and more for yourself, or to give as a gift.
Speaker 2That's right. Go to elusive hyphen film slash donate to learn more now on today's show.
Speaker 1Welcome to a Nazi on Wall Street podcast, because every time history repeats, the price goes up.
Speaker 2I'm Dr. J Weichselbaum. I'm a historian and producer of the a Nazi on Wall Street Project,
Speaker 1And I'm EJ Russo. I'm just a regular guy who has grown concerned by the recent rise of anti-democratic sentiment growing around the world and is just trying to figure out what is really happening. Jay and I created this podcast in part to help promote his project, a Nazi on Wall Street, but to also discuss troubling current events and give them historical context. Jay, my friend, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2Ah, well, we're, uh, on the Sunday before the, uh, the midterm election. So this, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1At the time that we're recording this,
Speaker 2Uh, as Heather Cox Richardson has pointed out many times, she's kind of creating this document so that people can go back later and, and see, uh, how things were in that moment, creating a primary source, if you will. So, so here we are. We don't know how things are gonna go, and, uh, how my feeling, uh, I'm, I'm feeling, uh, nervous about it, this mix of nervousness and hopeful. I, um, I'm wondering how everybody else out there is feeling about it. Podcasters often don't engage our audience or should do it more anyway, and I hope you all are feeling good out there. Ej, how are you feeling? How you doing? I'm
Speaker 1Good. I think, you know, the temperature of everything that's going on right now at the time that we're recording this is that there's a lot of anxiety because we don't know what's going to happen on November 8th. We don't know who's going to win what election, what responses people are going to have, you know, who's going to denounce the election and, and try to combat the results. Uh, we don't know what the future policy that's going to result from the election is going to be. So right now it's, we're in a handing pattern and we are definitely anxious, and a lot of this anxiety has been kind of generated, I think, but in large part by this ideology that seems to have been growing over the last, I'd say, 10 years from certain media outlets out there that have developed this, this more extreme take on right wing policy and politics.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, you know, we come to you at this moment when, uh, Twitter has just been taken over by Elon Musk. Uh, you know, there's, uh, the, the kind of right wing media landscape media ecosystem only seems to just grow more heads from parlor to gab, truth, social and everywhere else. And, and, you know, one goes down like o and then another seems to pop up in its place. And of course, on top of all of this is the, the right wing noise machine, Fox News, which we've talked about before.
Speaker 1Yeah. And, and you and I have already covered the rise of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock and the rise of Fox News in the wake of the elimination of the Fairness doctrine. But I wanted to kind of pull at that thread a bit more for today's episode, particularly because of our guest today, because she's such an expert in it.
Speaker 2Yeah, very exciting. Yeah, we're gonna have Juliet je on. She's excellent. Uh, she does, uh, a project called Decoding Fox News, where she watches a lot of fox, so you don't have to, to understand what's going on. So it's a big privilege to have her on.
Speaker 1Yeah. And, and because we're having her on, I wanted to explore the growing extremist talking points being pushed by Fox News, particularly by one Tucker Swanson, McNair Carlson host of Tucker Carlson tonight. And as the Daily Show refers to him, America's Dickish, Stepbrother<laugh>, So<laugh>. So his father, Dick, interesting, uh, was a journalist and us ambassador to the Stay Shells, which is an archipelago off, uh, the coast of Eastern Africa, north of Madagascar. And his stepmom was an Aris to Swanson Frozen Foods. Born in 1969, Carlson grew up a rich kid in San Francisco and began his career as a fact checker for policy review, a national conservative journal published by the Heritage Foundation in 1999. He gained notoriety in Texas when he interviewed George W. Bush. When the then governor in an f bombed filled rant mocked Carla Faye Tucker, someone the state of Texas had executed this piece, had led to some bad publicity for the governor's presidential bid. Ironically, Carlson was celebrated among liberals at the time, believing that he was a trustworthy and ethical conservative journalist, which led him to co-host CNN's Crossfire in which Carlson would represent the political right while debating a cross from a representative of the left. The show lasted four years of increasing popularity until the fateful day when CNN had asked John Stewart from the Comedy Centrals aforementioned Daily Show to come on as a guest. If you have yet to watch this episode, it is a quintessential moment in news media
Speaker 2In preparation for this episode. I've seen it before. I've seen the, I've seen the episode, and, uh, in preparation, I watched it again. Uh, just, uh, just this morning. I remember what stood out to me before, uh, in my mind, uh, from like my knowledge of this clip back in the day, was that, uh, it made, uh, I think it made big headlines because John Stewart card called, uh, Tucker Collison a dick to his face, which I mean, in these days, uh, that's, that's not much considering the language. But when I watched it again, uh, it was, it was really interesting, uh, how, like, how dis decisively John Stewart kind called out the hackery of these guys trying to give us theater in place of a real political
Speaker 1Debate. Yeah, that's exactly what he called it. He said, This is political theater. This is theater. This is not real. Why are you doing this to us? The, the audience that is trying to consume this to be a better educated electorate, Right? And you're not, you're not serving us in any genuine way. I remember, I remember sitting down and watching it as it was happening and just being gob smacked at to what John Stewart were saying. He, and he basically gave Carlson such a, she slacking and dressed down that the entire show was canceled by cnn shortly after
Speaker 2I didn't know that<laugh>. Yep.
Speaker 1And from there, Tucker went on to help a new program on PBS for a year, and then moved to MSNBC for three years, but was fired for low ratings due to his, at the time, slight right wing slants. But in 2009, shortly after departing msnbc, Tucker was hired by Fox News, and an AltRight superhero was born. He was kind of now unleashed. Finally, Tucker Carlson tonight had found an audience suited for his political ideologies. He immediately scored consistently high ratings second only to the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity. It was at this period where Carlson openly discussed anti-immigration and anti diversity talking points. And this was the same time he launched The Daily Caller, A conservative tabloid, The Daily Caller is key to why Carlson took such a turn toward the extreme. Here in the beginning, Tucker vowed The Daily Caller would quote, primarily be a news site with a straightforward approach to the news. Find out what's happening and tell you about it. We plan to be accurate both in the facts we assert and in the conclusions we imply. End quote. However, this did not generate a following. Within months, Tucker started publishing fake news and outrage driven commentary. The transformation of the daily color is the Rosetta Stone moment of Carlson's career. A period during which he learned his lesson. He never sought respectability again. Today, Tucker Carlson is one of the most influential commentators in conservative media, and one of the most provocative. He's known for praising authoritarian leaders such as Vladimir Putin and Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban, and continues to stoke fervor among his audience, warning them about the dangers of foreign immigrants and the elites who want to control their lives. Carlson has constructed what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news, and by some measures, the most successful he has now become the flag holder of replacement theory, where the elites in this country are trying to replace Americans with obedient people from what he calls the third world.
Speaker 2Which elites are we talking about here? Ej? Do they celebrate Yom Kippur by chance? Oh, no, that's me.
Speaker 1<laugh>,
Speaker 2The elites are in the room. Ej.
Speaker 1Well, it's crazy that this is a direct borrowing of the language and concepts from white nationalists and, and not just conservatives. I'm talking about people who are neo-Nazis, open nativists, white nationalists, people who get together in dark corners of the internet, and profound theories about how a cabal of elites, sometimes Jews, Jay, are trying to replace Americans. And this is a quote from Tucker. They referring to Democrats here can embrace the issues the middle class cares about, or they can import an entirely new electorate from the third world and change the demographics of the US so completely they'll never lose again. They know if they import enough new voters, they'll be able to run the country forever. The whole point of their immigration policy is to ensure political control and replace the population. This policy is called the Great replacement, the replacement of legacy Americans with more obedient people from far away countries. End quote. Now, I want you to pay attention to that term Jay, Legacy Americans, because it is a perfect example of how mainstream quote unquote right wing media dog whistles to white nationalists on the air in order to normalize racism. I hadn't heard of that term before looking into Tucker, but it not so subtly refers to white naturally born Christian heteronormative conservatives. It is a term only found among far right militant groups like VDA and American Far Right website promoting an opposition to immigration to the United States. It is associated with white supremacy, white nationalism, and the far right, which means that Tucker literally plucked that phrase from the racist, right? And started using it on the air, on Fox News.
Speaker 2The goalposts always move with what they consider legacy, right? A lot of these historians, uh, that study, um, conceptions of whiteness, you know, look at the 19th century and it's always ever changing. As soon as a new immigrant group comes to America, then the goalpost move again. Well, we meant you had to have been here before 1850 instead of 1880, you know, or we meant, you know, uh, these European countries, um,
Speaker 1America First Wait American for Americans, wait American for Christians or Americans for Christian values. There's a lot of goal post shifting on, on both sides of, uh, their dialogue. Not only the people that they hold as legacy Americans, but also the people that they're targeting. And I'll get into that in a second because this legacy Americans term, coupled with the replacement theory message, has appeared in more than 400 of his shows. This is not an outlier, it's a continual theme of the show, and it is a scary, racist conspiracy theory. There's no other way to describe it. It's a conspiracy theory because it is simply not true. But it's a powerful idea, and it's an old one on the far right that has made a new entrance in recent years in the public zeitgeist. A former Fox employee once said, Anger gets people to tune in and stay locked onto the network, keep their TVs on. But what's better than anger? Anger coupled with fear and what you see on Fox in the last few years, but especially on Carlson's, show his rage inflation. You see an effort to just dial it all up to 11 every night. And the point is, keep people tuned. In end quote, one of the things you hear a lot on his show is him looking straight into the camera as he does in his opening monologues and speaks to his audience and says, They don't like you. They don't care about you. They want to control your lives. Well, who is the they? Exactly? Well, they is the ruling class, and the ruling class is pretty much anybody he wants it to be. It's people who are actually in charge and have power and are elected to office like presidents, vice presidents, people in Congress, it's pro athletes. It's Chelsea Clinton, it's Nancy Pelosi, it's aoc, it's it's comedians who make jokes about America. It's pretty much anybody who's in the news that day, for whatever reason. And his great skill as a broadcaster among others, is that he can always take whatever's happening that day and make it part of his narrative of the ruling class. If someone's talking about making pot legal, he goes on the air that night and says that the ruling class is trying to legalize pot, because applying population is a good population. So it doesn't matter what the story is, it always gets wrapped back into the narrative of the day versus you white nationalists and neo-Nazis, effing love Tucker Carlson's show. They watch it, they talk about watching it, they post clips from it, they cheer for it online. And the reason is simple. He has taken ideas that were caged in a dark corner of American life on a few websites that don't get that many visitors. And, and he made it the animating force on the most popular cable news program in history. And if you listen to them, what they say is, Carlson is taking our ideas. So I wanna be clear, Jay, and I mean this without any hyperbole. Tucker Carlson is the most effective popularizer of the importance of white identity of any person around today.
Speaker 2It's chilling, man. It's chilling. I did a little bit of digging in the data, and I know Juliette Jet does that a lot more. And and hopefully we'll get a chance to hear about it, um, on a viewership at Fox. Cuz you know, I mean, the question that's always on my mind is, okay. Yeah, Fox is, is horrible. Tucker's horrible. Cable news is dying though. It's like a conservative set of people, few million who watch and are influenced and their, you know, their projection is real, that they are being replaced. It's just that because the electorate is getting more progressive, younger people come in, older people leave the scene, uh, which is a nice way of saying, you know, generations pass away and are replaced by other generations with different views, uh, as things evolve, hopefully for the better. But, you know, as we know, not always, I was looking at the data on viewership, Fox had, um, 2.189 million viewers in, uh, the third quarter of this year, of the 2022. But, um, the key demographic that they wanna hold onto, of course, is actually not the ones leaving the scene right away. The 25 to 50 year four year olds, which Tucker is at the top of that group, right? That's the most popular show with that group at, at Fox. And I'm wondering if that's, you know, more and more those younger people are, are explicitly, uh, white nationalist audience.
Speaker 1Your suspicion is that they realize the writing on the wall is that their main audience is about to die off, and they need to get younger people watching. And in order to do that, they need to go more extreme in their dialogue.
Speaker 2I buried the lead here. The headline is, is that, um, 2022 is 15% down over 2021 across the board with, um, cable news shows. I believe that's the correct statistic, 15%, one five. I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons you can explain this. We weren't in a presidential election year, although midterms are very important as, as we know also, um, we've been hearing this for years. You know, one of the reasons, uh, Trump has gotten so much support from the media ecosystem is because it's, he's profitable. When you bring his name into the news, people watch and people listen. And, uh, he's not president anymore. So viewership is down. But what is disturbing right now in the present, uh, is, uh, if you've got this giant, uh, white supremacist bullhorn in Tucker Carlson show, eventually it does get back to the Jews. Uh, I was talking to, uh, a buddy of mine who happens to also work on this, uh, uh, announcing Wall Street project with us. He's over at Southern Poverty Law. You know, he's saying it, you know, uh, in the times of stress, Antisemitism's always popping up. It's like the oldest kind of scapegoat for populism that inevitably arises when people start getting scared and uncertain and insecure about big changes that are happening around them. Political, economic, cultural, all above, as we speak, the biggest, uh, news of the day. As far as related to Tucker Carlson, I think some of the biggest news is that he just had an interview with Kanye West. I don't like him, I don't like Kanye. I don't like how much antisemitism he's put out into the world. I can just, uh, get right on my soapbox for that. But, um, but who amplified him and Tucker Carlson did. And, um, yep. There's a piece on Vice, and I'm, I'm only pitching that so that people can s can go check it out if they want to, because there's a lot that was cut out from that interview. I
Speaker 1Read, I read that piece to, to, to prepare for today's episode.
Speaker 2Yeah. Some of the stuff that did make it, you know, is that he's doing the, the very old tropes about, you know, Jews controlling businesses and controlling finance and whatnot. It's disturbing because it kind of opened the door to this whole kind of underbelly of racism, um, against Jews in the black community. Yeah. This is not to say, uh, you know, everybody who's black hates Jews. I mean, the civil rights movement history is full of examples of Jews and, and black people working together to improve the civil rights, because it turns out oppress groups have a lot to gain from solidarity with each other, right? But there's this group called like the Black Israel Lights. Uh, I, I didn't realize they'd been around, uh, since the 19th. Century's been around for a while, especially if you're in big cities. Um, sometimes you'll see'em on, on street corners. Um, essentially this
Speaker 1Is the group, this is the group that like, every time I walk down Times Square, there's a group of just these, you know, guys, they're all African American and they are vocally angry at everyone who walks by. They just basically make fun of you the entire time. You're just trying to walk across the
Speaker 2Street. Confrontational, indeed. Or one of the core beliefs of this, this particular group is that, um, they're the true Jews. That, that the, basically all, all the Jewish people that you know of today, they're all fake. And that this particular group, uh, is, is the only, So it's inherently antisemitic, basically, right? It's, it's a lot of Judaism mixed with Christianity, blood of Jesus, all of that. It gets, I get, it gets very confusing to me, to be honest. And I know that's not, maybe that's not helpful to your listeners, although there's a great page on several southern poverty law centers, uh, website. You can read more about the Black Israel movie, because unfortunately this stuff spreads, right? Um, you know, if you have big megaphones like Tucker Carlson and Kanye West combining their megaphones, next thing you know, there was a basketball player, uh, named Kyrie Irvin. He's coming off this black Israel I kind of stuff too. He, uh, posted, um, a link to a controversial documentary that's, that's deeply antisemitic, You know, it, uh, it cite Henry Ford's words, which we've talked about before the show, Henry Ford, uh, classic Antisemite, and some of the sources he used for his, uh, knowledge that it's the, um, protocols, the others of Zion, kind of the original, uh, antisemitic texts that created the myth of Jews controlling the banks and whatnot and, and everything. So this has all happened really within the past week or so. And then, so all that happens, these people come at Tucker, Kanye, Kyrie, they're all saying these things. And then there are these credible threats against synagogues. Um, the FBI had a release are, are make an announcement, uh, in New Jersey over this, uh, past weekend. There were, um, threats against, um, synagogues in New Jersey. They caught the guy, fortunately, who's making the threats. And then there was a fire that broke out in, uh, synagogue, uh, in Alabama. Immediately people were scared. That turned out to be not an attack, somebody just accidentally set a fire, but like, still Jews are scared right now. I'm worried right now. I mean, it's already become a common thing to see increased security at synagogues, but then you,
Speaker 1A lot of people are scared right now. Yeah. Trans L G B T, there's a lot of people out there using dog whistles. Like now referring to anyone that is not hetero, like cis heteronormative is, uh, a groomer. That's the big word that is being pushed. And no one can have an actual conversation without just now being considered, uh, a groomer that you just want to molest little kids. That's, that's, that's basically what the conversation is boiled down to Now that has taken over all actual discussion online,
Speaker 2And it's disturbing how, and not surprising, cuz we've talked about this lot, but it's disturbing how all these things sort of combine and congeal into one thing. I mean, Kanye, in his interview, he is talking about like child actors and kidnapping of children, and it's just, it doesn't take, uh, much to, to see how all of these things kind of are combining. Carlson interviews Kanye, and then next thing you know, he says antisemitic things and then people are projecting Kanye was right about the Jews on a building during a major sporting event in Florida. Yep. You know, you know, I feel like the, uh, yeah, the bullhorns of, uh, of Fox News and Tucker Carlson are playing a extremely dangerous game right now. I don't know how things are gonna shake out after the midterms. Our, our friend at Southern Potter Loss says things are gonna get worse before they get better. I hope that's not true. I hope things just get better, uh, and only time will tell.
Speaker 1Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of chatter regarding militia planning on patrolling polling centers, and there's a lot of anxiety around that. Hopefully nothing happens. We'll know in a couple
Speaker 2Days, just as Tucker Carlson had a turning point in what was, uh, 2010, basically, when is the turning point for the majority of America to decide that, uh, this is no longer acceptable? How much does it have to escalate before it changes? That is the question before us, our dear friends and loyal listeners. We are back with Juliet Ge, who is a journalist, researcher, audio engineer, and expert in the grassroots US fascist groups, uh, particularly the Proud Boys. She also writes and hosts a podcast called Decoding Fox News, which tracks and analyzes the biggest right wing platform in America. Julia, thank you so much for being here with us today on the Nazi Wall Street podcast.
Speaker 3Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2Welcome,<laugh>. Uh, it's, uh, very appropriate, uh, that we were having this conversation, the heels of, uh, our last episode where we talked about the role of the media in the existential battle in the US between forces of fascism and democracy. I know that sounds dramatic, but that's indeed, uh, what many people smarter than me, uh, believe that is happening. And of course, uh, we would be remiss not to discuss in depth Fox News because it's such a big influence here today. Juliet, can you tell us a little bit about how you came to work on decoding Fox News? What was your journey to doing this project and what drove you, What, what were some of the things that that made this interesting and, and, and pressing important issue for you?
Speaker 3I'll try to make this as brief as possible cuz it goes all the way back to 2016
Speaker 2<laugh>. That's
Speaker 3Okay. I I used to be a performer in New York and I had kind of already retired from performing at this point, but someone that my friends knew kind of got sucked into the alt-right. So they started appearing on the Gavin McKinna Show on a semi-regular basis. And Gavin McKinnis is the founder of The Proud Boys. And my friends knew I worked with video and they said, Can you keep an eye on this person? I said, Sure. Someone else paid for the subscription. And so at the time, I was using like a video camera to videotape the screen of a laptop. That's how Low tech it was very gonzo. And, um, I immediately lost interest in the performer. Um, I got what I needed, I gave it to friends and they used it. They showed it to people. And because what was happening is there was a lot of lies. Oh, I'm not, I'm not all right, I'm not all right. And they're like, Yes you are. Um, so I immediately narrow focused on Gavin McGinness and that very quickly turned into, eventually I captured all 407 episodes of a show, start working with journalists. That all blew up in 2018. And then nobody was taking it seriously. The journalists that covered that beat, the only people who took the Proud Boy, seriously. Law enforcement didn't take it seriously. I ended up getting investigated by New York State kind of indirectly. Long story, they, I sent a crime tip to the governor right after the PR boys beat some people up in the upper side. It was a flat envelope that weighed two ounces and the governor flipped out cuz it was the same day the pipe bombs went around from Florida from that crazy person. So they somehow thought, my innocent, here's, here's some info on the Proud Boys was a pipe bomb. And I called them, talked to them at length, they showed up at my apartment, um, undercover Detectives and investigated and grilled me as if I'd done something wrong. I was cleared completely, a hundred percent and then I decided to go to grad school. When I was at grad school, they didn't know what to do with me cuz like, extremism, they're like, huh. So I, every opportunity I could get, I could kept working it into projects. And then my capstone was this super detailed breakdown of three months worth of Tucker Carlson tonight, one American News Network and Nick Fuentes, who's a white nationalist. And then I compared that to PBS News Hour and nbc like a morning show. And I, um, put it all together in this huge enormous media piece and like did charts of like how they covered Covid 19 and how the overlap that I kept seeing between Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. Um, which was quite alarming. And I turned that in even though, you know, I was a business concentration. And then Jeff Jarvis, who everybody in media seems to know, I'm finding out who's one of the founders of my program, uh, loved my capstone and was like, We're gonna get you a grant here you go buckle in, can you handle Fox News? And I was like, Let's do this. So that's how, So what it turned into, people think that I chose Fox News. I'm like, no, it was somebody said, We want you to focus on Fox News.
Speaker 1So, wow. I mean that's just, that's absolutely nuts In my position, my work, I, I go visit people's homes and I, I enter their, their homes and I, I formulate connections with people. And over the last, like five or six years after visiting many, many people in their homes, there is a very large proportion that when I come in, they just have Fox News in the background on the TV all day throughout my entire appointment, my entire conversation with them, they just have it blaring in the background. A lot of people just to have Fox News on during the day, all day. And I'm just amazed at how commonplace this behavior is, especially within the 55 plus demo. So how do you think Fox News accomplished this type of almost religious brand loyalty?
Speaker 3They basically have a formula. They dumb everything down. They do like the same five stories through the whole week. Um, when I compare PBS to Fox, PBS always has like 20, 25 more stories in far less time. I compare five hours of PBS to 15 hours of Fox. So Fox is like candy. They just pick up the five stories that they wanna push and they, they take all the sharp edges off and then they just push the same message over and over again of your way of life is going to be ruined. They're coming for you. These evil, evil liberals, it's like Fear Candy. I, it's the best way to describe it. And then they also have like Fox and Friends I think encapsulates the how Fox gets people in. And the five is the number one show, which is kind of like the view, but Fox and with men. So it's five people sitting around a table, but Fox and Friends is this sort of like, hi your family. They use the term family. Um, it's all, uh, everybody's like warm and friendly at first it seems like, Oh, these are my friends and then it's just gas prices. They're high. Why Democrats? You know? And it's just the same overly simplified. Fear, fear, fear. They don't show climate change stories. They don't show stories where black people are being abused by cops. I've seen the pattern, I have proof of this. They don't show any story that would hurt their bottom line, that would hurt their narrative. They just ignore it. Anything about Trump that's bad, they just ignore it. And it's fear porn. It's fear porn, candy. That's the best way to describe it. But it's really just simple and everything's reduced to good, bad, you, fascism, it's good, bad us them. That's the narrative all day long.
Speaker 2Fox News has been around for, uh, for a while now, a generation, you know, from my untrained eye, it's always been that way. But obviously I feel like, you know, we are in a much more existential phase, you know, ob obviously. So the Trump administration, is it gotten more extreme over time? Is is, was it, was it always like this? How has it evolved
Speaker 3Right now? Because the midterms are coming up, It's really blatant, it's turned into crime story crime, story inflation, inflation and then just blatant, unabashed candidate endorsements where they just bring on the Republican and they stay horrible. Like they'll just be like, and and I did a study when a race is close, they bash the Democrat two to three times more often than they even mentioned the Republican. When it's a really, uh, crazy difference like Zeldin versus Coco, they talk about Aldon three times more often than Coco. So they have a pattern. They have a very, it's very well established when you watch it like a weirdo like me, like a nerd, and you're writing everything down and I turn everything into transcripts. I search for words, I search for how many times they use a word. So when you look at it very analytically like that, it's a machine. They know what they're doing. It's not accidental. So right now it's very ramped up of basically they, they call the subway right now, the Murder Express and they go, Oh God, yeah, everyone in New York is calling it the Murder Express. And like, I don't know, a single soul who calls the subway the murder express. And I've lived here for 21 years.<laugh> never heard that once, except for on Fox. So that's how it's like, it's like a game show almost. Just all everybody's ramped up all the time.
Speaker 2I guess what's disturbing to me is that, you know, it continues to escalate. Like the escalation is like kind of this key factor that I've noticed. And so, you know, it's like if you're doing that, if you're, if you're pushing this eventually, like it becomes not just words, it becomes violence. It becomes things that spill out into the real world. I mean, I'm sure that everybody tells you this. I don't know how you do it. Yeah.<laugh> thinking about that all the time. Um, give us an average day. You see, you see something like this, you're like, that could get somebody hurt. What do you do to deal with that?
Speaker 3Mondays are really tough for me cuz that's when I do my podcast newsletter and no matter how much I prep ahead of time, it's still, there's something that just takes a whole day. And then I, I watch three hours of Fox a day and then I cut it up into little Clips for Twitter. And some of them are very quick and some of them can take an hour or two hours depending if I'm putting in rebuttal type data to sort of debunk what they're saying. The most disturbing person to watch is Tucker Carlson. Um, because if you talk about someone who scares me to the core of my being, that would be Tucker Carlson because he's so irresponsible in the stuff that he pushes, especially antisemitism, which has been ramped up horribly lately. They don't even care. They don't care. I, I joked the other, I mean the way I deal with it is I just, it's like drinking poison. You get used to it. You build up a tolerance. And I try to view it like very objectively like a scientist. Like I'm looking for cracks, I'm looking for anything I can use against them, any sort of evidence. So I watch it very un emotionally. But I joked the other day, I said Tucker Carlson, there could be a, a young man with an AR 15 with a Tucker Charleston t-shirt with a Tucker Carlson book in his backpack with a manifesto where he talks about how much he loves Tucker Carlson. They search his hard drives, it's all Tucker Carlson. And he will literally say, I killed these people because of Tucker Carlson. And they would still go, We have nothing to do with that. I mean, they would just deny it and that's what's scary. And they would twist it and turn it just like they've done with January 6th, just like they've done with the, the Buffalo shooting. They acted like it had nothing to do with them. Wow.
Speaker 1And I remember, I think I was first introduced to Fox News back in the late nineties and I, and I remember it having a right wing slant and I, I I remember it becoming more focused during nine 11, but has it become more extremist? Has it act or is it just my sensitivity to alt-right topics and perspectives? Am I the one that's becoming more sensitive to these topics or are they actually becoming more and more extreme?
Speaker 3Well, Han is not, Han is more old school Ingram's kind of just obsessed with China. Although Ingram does push the great reset conspiracy theory quite a bit. Tucker is the one that's the dangerous person because Tucker platforms, white nationalists, he constantly defends them. He just had a guest on, I did a two part podcast on a woman named Catherine D who was very obscure. And why I basically, my attitude is if you're an obscure extremist, I will leave you alone cuz you don't wanna elevate these people. But once they're on Tucker, all bets are off. Cuz now 3.8 million people just saw them. So at that point, now it's okay to dig deeper and expose these people. But he had somebody on who I would call her a mass shooting apologist. Even though she doesn't, I, she would never view herself that way. She thought she was like a researcher, but she was, what she was doing I thought was wildly, wildly responsible. Cause she was platforming, uh, Adam Land's tapes from when he made God, Yeah, she thought this was like interesting and she talked about how Adam Lanzo was a misunderstood great mind. And she had a guest on who would say stuff like, I wish I could have talked to him. And they never mentioned the the victims. She got the number of victims wrong. And then at, at Sandy Hook, Adam Lanzo is a Sandy Hook shooter for anybody who's not getting that reference. But they just were so sympathetic to Adam Lanza and his struggle. And I'm sitting back like wanting to throw up. And then in the last 10 minutes of the podcast, this wasn't on Tucker Carlson, but he did feature this woman on his show. Any idiot could have found this podcast that I listened to and broke down at length in like five minutes. So, um, at the end of her podcast where she discussed Adam Lanza's, you know, great musings into YouTube, which were actually just self-involved, teenage like Mimi Poor Me kind of crap. Um, they started talking about white nationalism and how it's misunderstood and people shouldn't be so hard on it. And I was just like, bingo. Found it. And then, then there's Tucker's crazy obsession with Russia and how Russia can do no wrong and poor Russia and you know, the evil Ukrainians and his bizarre obsession with masculinity. And it's just one big ball of white nationalism. I did a breakdown. I still have to do it. Um, cuz I just, my schedule is very intense to get everything done on time. But I looked through the end of Men, which is his little documentary about men and masculinity and sperm counts and stuff. And I went through and everybody was talking about the science and debunking the science and I took a different angle and I looked through the images on the screen and people of color were only featured, This is a 34 minute documentary, People of color were featured 27 seconds, That's it. And it was all like white males, shirtless, buff. And then the black people that were portrayed on the screen were two obese black people, a black man eating a burger surrounded by white women. And then really disturbing like a painting from the Haitian Revolution with a black man holding a white man's severed head. And then another painting that was Asex was somebody holding a baby up as a sacrifice. Those were the images that were not white people in the end of men. And I thought nobody did this except for me because that's the nerd that I am. But I was like, it's just white supremacy and there's a white supremacist in that film. And they don't acknowledge he's a white supremacist. They're just like, Oh, he's a health fitness guru guy. No, he actually promotes Nazis. So that's how, how he does it, he slips it in. Gavin McInnis did the same thing. So I'm kind of used to it. But Tucker's far more dangerous cuz his platform is huge. He's got the biggest audience in cable news.
Speaker 2So super subtle<laugh>. Yeah, I I I can, it's subtle. I can super subtle. Oh, you mentioned something, I just wanna make sure, uh, people pick up on this. Can you tell everybody what the great reset is? I know us, um, uh, Fascism nerds,<laugh>,
Speaker 3No. Yeah. The great reset is, and help me if I get something wrong cuz I, there's so many to keep track of. But the great reset is this silly obsession with the World Economic Forum, which they have a forum every year. And during Covid they had one called the Great Reset. And the conspiracy theories have decided that this, like they have, if you look through the World Economic Forum, that some of their like themes every year are just completely ridiculous. Like, but for some reason conspiracy theorists have hooked onto the Great Reset and they believe that it's a way to, they were gonna use c to make a one world government of course get rid of capitalism. Even though it's not at all what the World Economic Forum is about. They're very, very capitalist. But this idea that they would, um, redo the world economic structure based on the travesty and catastrophe that is Covid 19. And then of course, the people who are in charge of the World Economic Forum or these two Swiss, these Swiss German, and they have like, they're very menacing looking and the one one Mon Speaks was Val Accent and it know looks woo. And then the stuff they make is kind of goofy and hard to follow. I would say the World Economic Forum. Like their videos are like, What, what was that? Yeah. So that's just, that's just like food for the conspiracy theorists of like c c and so they'll work it into everything and claim its evidence of this great reset. It's all nonsense.
Speaker 1I'm sure that the Russian invasion of Ukraine kind of plays into
Speaker 2That. Absolutely. Well the, the Nazi Wall Street podcast, you know, we're, we're part of this larger, uh, Nazi Wall Street project drawing parallels between 1940 and now, uh, Disturbingly there are many parallels and we've spent a lot of time talking about, um, propaganda. Do, do you think about the similarities, uh, between today's fascists and ones, uh, that you've, that you've learned about during, during the World War II era, either grassroots or or abroad?
Speaker 3I see parallels all over the place. The one of the books that Gavin McKinnis held up is like his, he literally called it his Bible was Death of the West by Pat Buchanan, which I've read. And it's just blatant white supremacy. It's not, I I can't even believe like Pat Buchanan was considered a serious political figure 20 years ago when the book came out and nobody called him on like, this book's awful. Like it's all about birth rates and gotta make more babies. Uh, the funny thing about it's reading it now is a bunch of the predictions he made did not come to fruition. Like he predicted this huge population drop in Russia that didn't happen and other goofiness, but, and you know, Decline of the West. Yeah, it was the big Nazi tome that was far more academic and rich and I have a copy, I, I looked at it and was like, Oh my god, that's, that's a lot of reading. Whereas Death of the West is like easy consumable can like candy and it's all white people are dying out, white people are dying out, run for the hills. And um, that idea that if other ethnicities come into the United States, they'll ruin it and break the country and will be broken and our culture will break in half. And the whole western civilization is so much superior than everything. It's just all the same nonsense that they've been pushing. Any has cultural Marxism in there and cultural Marxism now on Fox News, not a dog whistle. They openly use the term cultural Marxism. Really? Which, yes, yes. Oh gosh. One of the guys, Pete, he, Seth has a book about our educational system and in one of the ads for it, he used the term cultural Marxism and I was just, my jaw dropped. I'm like, that is an antisemitic conspiracy theory and if you don't know what cultural Marxism is, it's one of the dumbest things that they push it, it's this idea that for, there's different versions of it. I've seen variations on this theory, but that these four academic Marxists came to the United States because of Hitler and went to Columbia University and had these theories and they were such masterminds at being, um, academics. I mean this is why it's so laughable that they radically changed the culture and to break the family, break God and to turn us all into socialists. And they literally say it's the, the the long march into the institutions. And I always laugh cuz I'm like, well that's a really long march cuz it's been almost a hundred years and we're still capitalist as we've ever been, so I don't know what you're talking about. But, and it's all reverse engineering. They just, they take every like feminism, cultural Marxism, you know, uh, race cultural Marxism and it's like, well no, we used to live on farms and then we had the Industrial revolution and then we had two world wars and that's why we've changed so much. It's not for profe. Why would any, like I always joke name a professor besides Jordan Peterson go, nobody can do it. Like, I mean, unless you're in school, like name a famous professor in the United States go and people would be like, uh,
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah. I bet you this is because we, we hear a lot now of woke is and c r t and I think that this is just dog whistles
Speaker 2And these audiences. It's, it's funny. Yeah. On Twitter, Juliet, I travel similar circles in the Twitter sphere and stuff. Yeah. You see these arguments, you know, the Marxists have influence in the universities. None of them have had the experience of trying to get an undergrad to do the reading.<laugh><laugh>, uh, I have been a professor. The reality at which they occupy is uh, is not one that is uh, anything based in, in what actually occurs. And that's kinda one of the central ideas, this myth making, right? Fox creates the reality in which people occupy and then it's blaring all day on their television. I mean, I wonder, you know, to e J's point, you know, it's like it's blurring all day on the television of older folks. Right? One of the things I've heard a lot about, and I'm sure this is something Julia, that you think about a lot is, you know, Fox News is obviously targeted towards this kind of 55 and older demographic in our, in our last conversation, I think John's store, I think it was the one that that pointed out that, you know, like cable tv, cable news is, is dying out because, you know, that was, that was the medium that, you know, an older generation uses and eventually it's not gonna be the same anymore. So like what is Fox News planned? Are they doing anything to, to try to broaden this out? I'm, I'm asking dangerous questions cause I don't wanna help them<laugh>, but I, you know, I I think about this a lot. Like he shouldn't it die out at some
Speaker 3Point? I think that Fox Nation is their attempt to stay relevant. Fox Nation is their streaming service where it's a lot of goofy, I I'm using the term goofy a lot today. Sorry about that.<laugh>. Um, that's goofy it. Well I mean it's silly goofy. They have a lot of low rent, bad poorly made documentaries that are like slapped together sometimes just with still photos. I can't make that up. They'll have just still photos of things. And they did one of like Elon Musk, they're like the life of Elon Musk and they just showed pictures, just still photos. And then they talked about Elon Musk and I'm like, this is a documentary<laugh> like what is this? But that's like their hip streaming service. And it is funny because like Greg Gutfield who has the late night comedy, I'm putting this air quotes show, which is like super popular cuz I think Fox viewers just keep the TV on the whole time. He's 58 and he's supposed to be like the young hip, like, hey. And he calls other people old. And I'm like, dude, I wouldn't, I mean, I'm not young so I'm not calling, you know, I'm not, I'm like Gen X, so I'm not about to be calling other people old. But dude, you're 58 dude<laugh> like, like you're not this young hip. I mean, but that's Fox. I think that's kind of what they're hoping. And I think they also lately have been really trying to push, uh, Latino, the whole, all Latinos returning Republican that, I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what they keep talking about.
Speaker 1What I heard during the last election is that there was a, uh, a good portion of the Floridian Latino population that was starting to buy into a lot of the conspiracy theories that were floating around during the 2020 election. A lot of the QAN stuff started landing with not the majority, but a good portion of the Latino community in Florida and Texas for some weird reason I think that Fox do started seeing a lot of those analytics and started pushing that narrative and tried to shave off some Democrat voters that way. And I think it's just been, this is a residual of that. Like, hey, let's let's continue to push that conspiracy theory narrative that seems to be, you know, growing acceptance in these certain communities. What's crazy is, I hear you go throughout your day consuming hours and hours of Fox News. I heard that the Facebook moderators that were tasked with curtailing extremist content, uh, that was posted on that platform had a, a high tendency to eventually become radicalized due to the just constant exposure. So how do you continually try to avoid this trap?
Speaker 3Well, I know I'm watching garbage, that's part of it. Gavin McGinness on his show, the guy Mac, his show was far worse. His stuff was awful. Just awful. He would just have people that were not dog whistling, They were just openly saying, I'm a white supremacist. Basically the only thing it's caused me to do is, I've said this before, I said this on another podcast and I think they were disappointed, but what do you want guys? They said, How's it changed your politics? They said it smoothed off all the edges. So I am not a fan of hyperbolic language and like very declarative performative stunts because I see how it's used against the left immediately. Like if someone goes out there and they're like, I'm gonna go throw Kansas soup on this painting, it will be on Fox the next day. They will talk about it for 15 minutes. Or when a politician says something crazy, you know, I'm not saying my opinion on aoc, but she once said, Good, I think AOC is harmed by the amount of press she gets. I don't, I I don't think it's fair that like they focus on her so much cuz I don't think anybody consist can really handle that well. I don't think it's good for her that that everything she says is analyzed and broken down and put on a platform too, too often. She's just one congresswoman, leave her alone a little bit. But she said, um, nobody belongs in a cage. Humans don't belong in a cage. And I'm like, Fox is gonna pick that up and they're gonna put that on the air and then they're gonna interview crime victims. My wife was killed, some people broke into my home and they hacked her to bits and then they're gonna play the AOC clip. And that's the kind of thing where I'm just like, don't say things like that. And I mean, I get it because like she can say things like she could say whatever she wants and people who are listening to this could be like, Oh, but that kinda language is great. It gets the base worked up. And I'm like, Yeah, but it gets used against the base like a weapon. That's what I can't help. But see. And that's why I, I also don't argue with people now about anything political because of Fox because I watch it so often that when um, a friend or whatever tries to argue with me on Facebook, I just, I don't even bother. I'm just like, I don't care. I can't handle this all day long. And I also, right now I can't watch MSNBC or anything partisan. I have to watch something neutral cuz I can't, I can't go back and forth. I do Pod Save America though cuz I love them.
Speaker 1What do you consider
Speaker 3Neutral PBS News Hour? A hundred percent. I I would, I recommend PBS News Hour to anyone. NPRs is usually pretty good too. All the public media is better because they are paranoid about appearing partisan because they'll lose funding and they'll lose backers. So they bend over backwards not to look like they're promoting one side or the other. Uh, PBS News Hour does things where they're very calm too, which is why I like them cuz they're the opposite of Fox. Like nobody's screaming at PBS News Hour ever. They'll talk about a bill, they'll have a Republican come on that Republican will talk for eight minutes, then they'll have a Democrat come on and I can time it eight minutes. And they're very calm after Roe v. Wade got a return. They had a whole special where they had pro-life, Pro-choice, Pro-life, Pro-choice, pro-life, pro-choice. And nobody was yelling and nobody was screaming and they were respectful to everyone. And even though, you know, I obviously have, I won't say which, but I have a strong feelings about that issue. I liked the way they handled it because if you were a person that was, it was just a better way to handle it than just people are gonna die, babies are gonna die or like whatever. Like that hyper again, that hyperbolic language just gets to be a bit much. So yeah, PBS News. I also like to go outside of the us pbs, pbc, other sources.
Speaker 1It sounds like PBS still believes that the fairness doctrine is still in
Speaker 3Yeah. Even though it's not Yeah,<laugh>.
Speaker 2Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's, uh, we talked, uh, we talked about that at length too, last episode. I, I guess, yeah, the thing I think about immediately when you say that is populism in the United States, like it knows no ideological loyalty, right? There's, and, and I feel like there's left wing populism and there's right wing populism and they're kind of, they're kind of both attacking the middle in some sense and, and both, you know, believe they own the ideology that they are, but it's really all this, you know, it's, it's about emotion. It's about out like stoking outrage and obviously you're really familiar with that and yeah, I can see that's been my response too. And one of the reasons we do this podcast, I think it's, once you're aware of populism, it's, you can't unring that bell and it just becomes like, oh, okay, well even if I'm hearing it from like the left, it's still basically there to like make people angry mm-hmm.<affirmative> and not actually help anyone. It's really, really frustrating that kind of, we have this fight fire with fire. Sorry, I'm getting on my own soapbox here.<laugh>, I think, you know, PBS is important, NPR is important. I'm, I'm frustrated with kind of the both sides of them when, but you know, that's all we've got right now. And um, and so, um, I asked the other media folks this, I'll ask you too, you know, like as you do this, whether the personal costs, what are the solutions that you think about like in the face of this reckless hate, what can we do to help? Do you have any thoughts on what possible solutions the average person listening this might engage in?
Speaker 3I like News Source. It's, maybe it's a little both sides, but it's in the middle because I think that is something that you can take somebody from Fox. Cuz I've met people who've given up on Fox who just got disgusted with it, who just couldn't take it anymore. I interviewed some former, uh, Republicans for my capstone and they just said one day it just snapped. I can't stomach this anymore. It's all just fear, fear, fear, panic, panic, panic. I can't take it anymore. If you can get them onto something like boring old npr, boring old pbs, I, I love actually pb I don't wanna dis them, but like if you can get them on something that's not hyperbolic and they go, Oh wait, there's a difference. We can do something other than constant emotion, constant, you know, manipulation and it could be something that's calmer and I can learn something that's not panic all the time and screaming at me. Um, that's one way. And I also think that Media Matters does amazing work. They're 20, 30 of me, but they're a non-for-profit. They have this whole newsroom. But like, if you can expose Fox for what they're doing, and I think that, I've said this before, I wish the Democratic Party, I don't know if they do. They need like 10 people doing what I do all day long. And the breaking it down and, and you gotta know your enemy. You cannot just like, I think the worst way to handle Fox, and I hear this a lot and I get it cuz who wants to watch what I watch, but they'll say, Well that's a joke. Who cares? That's just, I mean, that's just a joke. Everybody, everybody knows Fox is a joke and I'm like, Yeah, they, they have like three times the viewership of what you're watching. You really need to pay attention to this. And they do have tremendous influence. So I I, I think the solution is to constantly expose them for what they're doing. And also I'd say, this is kind of a totally different topic, but cuz I have friends that do, um, d radicalization, and this is very, very hard to do if you're very close to the person. But when somebody comes at you all aggressive about their politics and their, their mag and they're very angry, the best way to handle them is to not get angry. The best way to handle them is just be like, Wow. So you really believe that? Okay, great. And just be very, very calm if you say, Oh, you're brainwashed or you're stupid, or you're being manipulated and here's some facts that's not gonna do anything. It's like you're just doubling. They're gonna double, triple down if you can try to crack through with, Okay, so you really believe that really, really like one, like one thing that is, I did this and this took me five minutes. Bill Gates, Bill Gates, he's buying up all the farmland. He's buying up all the farmland that got pushed. He's buying, he owns 270,000 acres. We have 900 million acres or something like that. I did the math. He owns less than one third of 1% of the US farmland. So he's not buying up all the farmland. So I debunked that in five minutes with fourth grade math. So there's one way that you, if you could just say, Well, do you really think that? Gimme a minute. Give, give me, okay, listen to them, hear them acknowledge their point of view and then very calmly, politely go, um, what do you think, you know, that's the best way to handle like individually a person like that.
Speaker 1Yeah. I need to delete all of my social media then<laugh>. No, no, it's okay. I am, I am guilty of doing the exact opposite. Well,
Speaker 3I mean it's, it's fine if it's like broadly speaking if you wanna do that, but like I'm talking like on a one to one basis, the best way to handle is very calm, respectful. I mean, I'll call Tucker Carlson a Nazi lover and I don't care, I'm not gonna hold back on that. But if a relative came at me, I would be very calm about it. I wouldn't go, You're brainwash Fox is garbage. You know, I'd just be like, you know, um, What'd you hear about Fox? Could you tell me what that is? Oh really? Hmm. I don't know about that. As opposed to combative doesn't work at all. So the, the funny thing about Marxism is I, I did a tweet on this once that went viral cuz I was talking about cultural Marxism. I said, if we're socialist over half of Americans own property, over half of Americans own at least one share of stock. And we have 30 million small businesses, we are capitalism on, uh, rocket fuel. Like we, we are incredibly capitalists as a, as a economy. So that's utter nonsense. But
Speaker 1Understanding the actual definition of capitalism to communism or whatever socialism is, I don't think that that really is relevant to their narrative. Communism socialism, that's the same word. And that definition of those terms means whatever I am angry about, it does not equate to the actual definition of communism and socialism. And it's grown to the level of, well now it's not just what I am angry about or what I disagree with. Now communism and socialism equals satanism.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah. No it does. It's like I have a collection, I have a folder cuz they save all these clips and it's just called communism and it's just one right off the other these crazy, you know, Oh, like there's a mask mandate. Communism like, does the government owns the means of production and then it's not communism. You know, like, and I'm a weirdo in that I'm old enough that I, this is a very weird element to me. But I went to the Soviet Union as a teenager with a student exchange program and I witnessed actual Soviet style communism, 1990 firsthand. I was over there for six weeks. I stayed in flats. I lived in a, um, with a bunch of other Americans in a pioneer camp, which is, they're basically their scout camp to indoctrinate communist. And you wear little red kifs and oh oh boy, having seen actual real life, a hundred percent Soviet cell communism. Most people who romanticize that term and think that's a great idea would be scared out of their minds living like that. And just the stories I heard and how people would get arrested for having a book, the corruption was all over the place. So, so I'm like a weirdo in that. I'm like, people assume I'm like a, a far leftist cuz they cover fox. And I start laughing and I'm like, you have no idea actually no, no, no, no, no, no. And you know, leftist, whatever they could do whatever. And that Fox paints it as if you're not with them, You're all the way into like communist socialists. Let's go, let's, you know, the government will take over everything and that's a good thing. And it's like what I, maybe I just want healthcare. Imagine that<laugh> imagine that. Just want everybody to have healthcare like the rest of the industrialized world. That's not socialist by the way. The cap, the rest of the industrialized capitalist world has universal healthcare. You know, Hey, they figured it out. We should be able to, Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah. One would
Speaker 2Think, one would think, we talked about Fox News seems silly, some of it, but then, you know, obviously it's deadly serious implications. People have said the same thing about Nazi rhetoric. I think that's kind of a, a feature, not a bug, a fascism. And one thing people will do in this, uh, there's an upcoming lawsuit, I believe you can correct me if I'm wrong, uh, with the Dominion voting systems, you know, we're all watching what happened with Alex Jones recently. He's owes a billion dollars and probably more. Um, and perhaps this lawsuit will grow even larger. We don't know. And, and that directly threatens, uh, Fox News and, uh, is a result of the things that they have said, which, you know, probably better than almost anyone else on the planet. So, um, what do we to expect? Do you have any idea of what's coming? What's coming next? I know they probably have changed some of the things they've had to say. Uh, so they don't open themselves to further liability.
Speaker 3They were a lot smarter than Alex Jones. Um, Alex Jones just kept doubling, tripling down and then kept mocking the judge and all kinds of crazy stuff. Fox pretty much has never brought up the word dominion. Like they just don't bring it up and they don't talk about voting machines. They'll dog whistle the, the big lie. Um, and now they keep changing the shifting the big lie. Their, their latest iteration was, if the world had known about Hunter Biden's laptop, they wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden. So therefore the election was stolen. And you're like, What? They were also careful not to touch 2000 Mules cuz that that movie is complete nonsense. I did a breakdown on my, um, sub stack, about 2000. I totally broke it down everything in that movie and debunked the heck out of it. But they were careful. Like Tucker Carlson had a woman who worked on the film 2000 Mules as a guest, but they never said the name of the movie. So they got a little bit smarter cuz they're not a self destructive, narcissistic, crazy person from Texas like Alex Jones. They're corporations. So they had a little bit more of a head on their shoulders, but I don't know enough about how badly they defamed the company cuz that kind of happened before I was watching it like this. So who knows, knowing them, there was probably some reckless things that were said on the network and they just assumed they'd get away with it. And this time they were going after a corporation that had some money and could get some lawyers. So we'll see. I kind of hope they do get in trouble for it because like one American News Network basically had to issue a statement where they said, Yeah, the election wasn't stolen. So, um, we'll see. We'll
Speaker 2See. Meanwhile, uh, the Battle of Four our minds continues, uh, to rage. Thank you so much, Juliet, for being a warrior in, in that, in those trenches, in this battle. This, uh, this is really important work and, um, I suggest everybody go check out debunking decoding fox,
Speaker 3Decoding Fox season. And I try to work in humor into the podcast. I make fun of the Fox personalities and they imitate them sometimes.
Speaker 2Well, y'all gotta check that out then. Thank you again so much. We really appreciate it.
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